The Profitable Chiro Network w/ Dr. Daniel Kimbley
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On this podcast, we take deep dives into the science of success, stress, and sustainable practice growth—through the lens of God’s intelligent design. From unlocking the power of your prefrontal cortex to breaking free from pain patterns and maximizing clinic profitability, these conversations challenge conventional wisdom and reshape the way you think about chiropractic, business, and life. This is The Profitable Chiro Network.
The Profitable Chiro Network w/ Dr. Daniel Kimbley
Ep 2: The Hidden Cost of Stress: How Your Mind Shapes Your Pain
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Welcome back family. We just love being here. This is so fun. Heather's obviously with us again this week. We're gonna talk about something totally different. So we're gonna talk about stress and how stress physically affects pain inside of your body. So we'll talk a little bit of neurology. But I really wanna talk about. What I wanna start with is just a crazy story, and as you and I were having a conversation, it brought us back to five, almost five and a half years ago, when Coco was born, and I would love for you to start it off with the story. So, um, we I'll kind of queue it up with. Needless to say, we had a few challenges when she was born, when Coco was born, start off by saying I had an amazing birth.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:Yeah, epic, birth yeah so the birth itself was so special. Tess was amazing.
Heather Kimbley:Mimi was amazing.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:Yes, tess was assistant.
Heather Kimbley:We had a wonderful team. It was like the most cool thing ever. You were tired, but it was all about you at that time.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:The best part about all of it. The thing I remember the most is like I literally woke up my normal I think it was probably 4am and then at like 4.45, I'm like hey, are you good? And you're like I think I'm feeling something, but you can go surfing. So I go surfing at 4.45, come back home and you're like I think I'm feeling something, still like something's happening, yeah.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:And then I asked you to go to the grocery You're like can you go to the grocery just to like be prepared, but the baby's not coming yet, so we're good so that was on a Tuesday, yep, so we start late, yeah, we start late in the office on Tuesday, so we don't come in until like two, and so you're like I think something's happening, but you're probably going to be able to go to the office, you'll be fine it'll be all day, it'll be all good, so go get groceries and then I come home and there's like a little bit more intensity and you can go for the first few hours you're like yeah, just for, like you're probably gonna have to close down like the last half of the afternoon but, the first half of the afternoon will be good and I can't remember if I like went to work out or what I went to do sitting on the ball and then,
Dr Daniel Kimbley:I come home and you're on the ball bouncing and you're like call Monica, close the whole schedule. You're not going to the office, and then that's when we knew coco was coming she was coming, yeah which is cool.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:So yeah, um, but the reason that I bring that story up right is because it has a direct correlation to not the birth process necessarily but the postpartum process right after postpartum with um, how the body can store specific pain patterns right, and how thoughts that we think and emotional stress can literally create specific conditions within the body that will cause, that can cause pain, that can cause a whole bunch of other issues.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:I would argue almost any symptom, absolutely, that someone could deal with. And I think it's important for people to understand this, because 90%, I think, of what we see in our practice is that most people come in and they're like well, I was just getting my groceries out of the car, right, or I did too many deadlifts at the gym. Yeah, I bent down to brush my teeth. Yeah, I was like bending over to spit in the sink after I was brushing my teeth and my back, when I was like I dropped the soap in the shower, like I was just putting on a shoe and then all of a sudden my back locked up right, or I don't know, maybe it's because I was doing overhead tricep presses and then my tricep or my elbow is now hurting me, like the list could go on and on.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:Right, I think I wore heels that's why my ankle hurts, because I had this always something cocktail. Yeah, so we always link up, I think, like by nature. Um, and I think we've been trained this way through tv and probably a lot of how we were raised. Western medicine, yeah, is that if you have symptoms and like something happened to cause those we just need to correct the symptoms.
Heather Kimbley:Because there's no other way that it could be a reason.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:Yeah, there's no other way that it could exist. But what we know, and what we've known for a long time now, is that stress, like mental stress specifically, can create a host of symptoms within the body. So what the heck does this have to do with cocoa? And your birth.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:So, um, I would love for you to tell the story of just kind of what happened, because I one of the things I love about practicing and I really hope that more people start to do this, cause I see a lot of people who struggle with it is that they can't take time off to be with their families when they have kiddos. Especially chiropractors where they're like I have to show up, people are going to cancel, I need income coming in, and I think that's just sad to me.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:But, anyway, not to be like judgmental about it, I would love for you to just share the story because I think it kind of highlights. We took a full two weeks off.
Heather Kimbley:I took a full two weeks off from practice and the cool part about that is every single client at the time was so happy for you taking the time off. Um, they were just like family. They understood and they appreciated it because they would want the same thing for their family.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:Yeah, so you can build a practice where people just love you and love when you take time for sure.
Heather Kimbley:And don't get mad, don't complain like oh, you were gone for two weeks, yeah, rolling around in the sand.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:Um. So anyway, neither here nor there, I would love for you to tell the story of, like what, what happened, um with coco? Tell the story, give all the details, because it was frustrating and it was super hard. Yeah, and I'll just interject my two cents okay, as we go, so start off.
Heather Kimbley:We hired somebody to take my place at the office and, mind you, this is our first ever employee yes, first employee ever.
Heather Kimbley:We were almost two years into practice. So, um, I was pretty much doing everything, you were doing everything. I was doing all the back end office manager kind of stuff, anything that you couldn't do outside of adjusting. Um, so we hire this person to take my place when Coco was born, because I didn't know what my plan was. I didn't know if I wanted to return back to the office or what. So, um, she came on full time for the office. We trained her up. She was all ready to go, super excited to be a part of the team. We were excited to have her. Coco was born. Everything is so great with the birth and the first week postpartum Nursing fine, she was a big baby, like over nine pounds, so she was hungry all the time, but all that normal and natural. And you come home exactly seven days after she was born. You come home from having a conversation on the phone with the employee that we hired and you say I have something to tell you and I was like, okay, what does that mean?
Dr Daniel Kimbley:Yeah, hang on, don't tell that yet. So, like basically what happened. So the first week we were all good. So we're trying and like anybody who has kids, they know it's just a process to figure out, like what is like I'm just trying to figure out like I'm.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:Am I sleeping? Am I not Like, do we sleep with the baby in the bed with us? Do we sleep Like do we put her in a bassinet net? Do we like how do we breastfeed? How does this thing work? Like is her lip in the right position? Is she not getting enough milk? Is she like why she? There's so much to figure out when you have your first kid, yes, and it's like confusing and stressful, and then there's lack of sleep on top of that. Plus, you have no idea what you're doing and there's no handbook to really prepare you for it.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:And we have no family here to support us as well, although we actually chose that kind of on her own.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:but I came to the office to like I can't remember what it was, maybe like scan some papers or put some documents in the computer, I don't remember what, but you guys were napping and I was like I've come to the office and so this is like seven days into my full, two weeks off, right, and I come to the office, I have a phone call. Actually I had a text message and the text message was from this employee that we hired, right, and she was like, hey, can we chat? And I just had that.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:You know, when you have the feeling like this is not gonna go well feeling um, wes, don't ever do this to me. And she is like hey, can we chat? And I'm like I'm totally kidding, by the way. She's like um, can we chat? And I just ask. I'm like is it bad, right? And she said no, not at all, yes. And so I come home and the news was you can share. You keep going.
Heather Kimbley:Sorry, I interrupted yes, so the news was so, keep in mind, I was nursing Coco right when you came home and you immediately came up to me and wanted to talk, and so I'm nursing Coco, literally, um, having no issues up to this point. You tell me that she has decided to put in her notice and to quit.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:Yeah, she found a new job.
Heather Kimbley:Yes, yeah, which is great, you know, so not great for us at the time.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:Yeah, I have like seven days to figure out how I'm going to run the office by myself, with you and our brand new baby at home.
Heather Kimbley:Yeah, that was I. As soon as you told me the news, I literally broke down and was I was bawling my eyes out, completely like in awe because of the situation, like so stressed out that something like that could be put on us when we have zero support in here, like you said, like we chose that, and, at the same time, it's like one of the most challenging things you could ever experience, I think. Running a business by yourself with just you two, and then the one person that you thought you could rely on for extra support created new plans, which you know is wonderful for her and, at the time, for us. I felt very hurt and it wasn't about me, but that's how I took it at the time. Yeah, so I was creating a lot of fear and anxiety and stress at the time.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:What were you thinking Like, what was going through your head?
Speaker 3:And so I just told you like, hey, she's no longer going to be with us she put in her two weeks so in my head I'm like, basically we're basically screwed yeah yes, I didn't know how we were gonna do it.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:I'm gonna be running the office and answering the phones and adjusting people at the same time, while you're at home with Coco or I expected to have to go back to the office with Coco at two weeks old and try and figure out that.
Heather Kimbley:So, yeah, that was. It was just so much fear, like how is this going to work out? How are we going to be able to create the client experience that we have trusted ourselves to create up into that point and for the future? And it was just going to be so challenging for you to stay as present as you wanted to be and be able to take the time to spend time with both of us, and for you to be able to take the time to spend quality one on time with Coco. Like, in my mind, it wasn't possible.
Heather Kimbley:Yeah, I was already freaking out about the fact that I would have to go back to the office. You would have to do everything on your own, and it was, yeah, just extremely stressful. So, um, as I mentioned, I was nursing while he was telling me this information, as I'm sobbing and creating that stress response in my system. Um, so, like, three days later, our midwife comes back to do a normal home check and weighs Coco and she's like Coco's lost a lot of weight. She had lost, like almost two pounds.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:And she should have gained her birth weight back. Yeah, she should have.
Heather Kimbley:Yes exactly so by that point, like it's normal to lose a little bit of weight the first week, but by you know, the time that she had returned she should be back to normal weight, birth weight, if not a little bit over, and Coco had lost a significant amount of weight. The crazy part was is that we were nursing like every hour almost, because she was just extremely fussy. I just thought she was a really hungry baby, but little did.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:I know that I was not producing enough milk for her at the time, so and, yeah, there's an important part of this that I think people have to get is not only were you not producing enough milk, but most of your milk was was not being produced on the side that I was nursing on when Daniel told me the information Crucial understanding yeah, cause, up until that point she was totally fine.
Heather Kimbley:Yeah, um so, yeah, so the specific side that she was nursing on when, dan, when you told me the information that created the stress response where I was sobbing like crazy and all this fear and stress came into my body, was the specific side that wasn't creating anything anymore as far as milk for her. Yeah, so we had to go through this crazy process of trying to increase my supply through this crazy process of trying to increase my supply.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:This was the hardest time I've probably ever experienced in my life, like harder than business, harder than so you have for me. I had a wife who, like, has no idea what's going on with her body and is just like almost feeling beaten up. One because we have somebody who we like trusted, where we kind of felt like she betrayed us, even though she didn't.
Heather Kimbley:She was doing what was best for her.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:Uh, but it was so hard. Not hard to have those feelings, especially when she's like, no, it's not bad, right, and I'm like, well, it's not bad for you, it's like terrible for us. Um, selfish, I know, and that's something I like have had to work on, but the other part the other part, I think, is like all of the things that we had to do.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:So, like there's this, you're obviously like why won't my body produce enough milk? Then we're like, okay, is our daughter going to be okay? Because then she getting enough milk. And then the question comes up of like do we give her formula, which we were pretty much fully against, um, do we make our own formula with, like, raw milk, and what does that look like? And when am I going to have the time from like being in the office to be able to make it, since you're with Coco, right? So there's like all this stress, um, and then on top of that, we have like do you want me to tell this part of the story about? So we're doing like literally weighted feeds with Coco so what a weighted feed is.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:if you don't know that, this is insane. So they have you and, like we, had to figure out what the issue was, if it was just that Coco wasn't drinking enough.
Heather Kimbley:If her latch wasn't good. If her latch wasn't good or if you weren't producing enough, or whatever the deal was.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:So what they do is they have you do what's called a weighted feed. So a weighted feed is basically every time Coco's going to nurse, you take off all her clothes, down to no diaper, and we're talking about a less than two week old baby that we're doing this to, and it's winter time and it's winter time, so down to no diaper, you put her on this hard plastic scale you weigh her. Then you got to take her, nurse her.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:On both sides, like breastfeed her both sides, then weigh her again to see how much weight she gained from how much milk she drank. There was a certain amount that she had to gain and then anything that was under three ounces we had to make up with, like donor breast milk basically. And so then you're bottle feeding her, yes, and then they wanted you to.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:I had to pump immediately after Pump for like 30 minutes after, so you got to think like every two hours an hour and a half of you is working, working and pump, and so, like you're getting every two hours, you're getting 30 minutes of sleep all day long, like 24 7, no breaks from that. Coco's the same you're so exhausted you're exhausted she's exhausted our poor girl, yeah. And so finally, we're just like, okay, we're done with all of this, we're just going to do donor milk exclusively, exclusively, not exclusively but, we would just make it up right, um, and everything ended up working out fine, so we didn't die our business she's still very healthy.
Heather Kimbley:Yes, we did it.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:we figured it all out, but I think the do we miss any parts that we should share? No, all that makes sense to you guys. Yeah, danielle, yeah, um, so I guess, like the, the transition then is to just ask a question of like why did that happen? Right, right, so it doesn't again. Like we mentioned in the beginning, it doesn't matter if it's back pain or if it was an elbow issue or a headache, or digestive issues, yes, or skin issues, or loss of breast milk, on one side specifically, and the body not being able to produce enough.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:The question becomes like why would that happen? And the answer is stress, and so I think what people miss oftentimes is that our mental stress and the thoughts that we think are ultimately what keep us trapped, and I mean, I would almost say like a slave, like we're kind of a slave to our stress hormones. Our bodies were designed to have a very specific neurophysiological response based on stress, because stress is ultimately like in those moments of stress, if we have a bear or a lion or a saber, two tiger attacking us, it is of utmost importance that we survive, because that's how we reproduce and that's how we maintain the human species here. The problem is that we've evolved so quickly in terms of technology, but our bodies still have the same stress responses that God gave us to keep us safe and protected if we were cave men and women. So what like literally? The physical stress response is very, very simple it's that cortisol for you in your scenario, and we can talk about another one here in just a second.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:Cortisol is a stress hormone, and that stress hormone literally stops the body from producing oxytocin, and oxytocin is required for milk letdown, so to be able to release milk.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:So if we think about like okay, why would then, in your scenario, um, milk production drop on your I can't remember which side, was it your left side? Why would milk production drop on the left side? Right after this huge stress of like, oh my gosh, what are we going to do with business? I'm going to have to go back to the office with a brand newborn baby and, like, be running the office and doing this thing and we don't have anything figured out and we have no idea what's up. Yeah.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:And so, uh, you know, the answer is pretty simple is that that release of stress hormone, cortisol, from a mental stress, not a bear attacking us in the woods right Triggered our body, your body, to stop producing oxytocin. But the other thing, too, is that stress hormones also affect our body's ability to produce what is called prolactin, and prolactin is what actually allows our bodies to make milk in the first place in women, and so we kind of have this twofold approach, where it's like the physiology explains how the mental stress would show up as a specific symptom.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:Right, in your case, the symptom was a mental stress of like, oh my gosh, this person did this thing to us and then, what are we going to do, right? Fear of the future, yes, and that fear messed up the system. But it's not because you were messed up, it's because this is how our bodies were designed as a normal response. As a normal response to an abnormal amount of stress, which we were already under an abnormal amount of stress, we had a new kid Right Um we run our.
Heather Kimbley:We were running our own business.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:That was like brand. I mean, yeah, two years to have a business is like. Anybody who says that's not infancy is just crazy, right Cause it is. Um yeah, so that's kind of like the physiology, right. So I mentioned stress impacting oxytocin, cortisol decreases prolactin, and then like I guess, circle. Is there anything you would add? I don't think so. All good, yeah, so to circle back, then I think it would be important to go back and be like, okay, that's cool, for like a stress, that's like breastfeeding where we can make a direct correlation between how milk production is affected by prolactin and cortisol and oxytocin and those imbalances that happen within the body.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:But I think it's a better question to ask and just to consider of like, what about all those people that we mentioned in the beginning when someone says, like I was just getting my groceries out of the car and my back went out, or my back tying my shoe.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:It had to be because I was doing. I did a whole bunch of deadlifts in the gym yesterday and the reality is, like 90% of the time, that's not necessarily true. So in our office we literally see this time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time again, where every time when someone comes in with something where they're like, hey, this just popped up, I asked them are you under any other stress? And it becomes like sometimes people laugh where they're just like I know what you're going to ask me am I under any stress? And nine times out of ten the answer is yeah, yeah that they are, whether it's like, oh, I was, I'm moving right, I'm in the middle of moving right now.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:No wonder my neck is so jacked up, for sure, and I'm like, yeah, it's not your pillow, it's not your bed that you had in the same house that you were sleeping in before. It's the move and the stress of the move, and not because you're moving anything, because you hired people to like movers to help you, but your neck locked up because of stress, because moving is a stress, right? I could use tons of examples of this, but one of the examples I would share from my life is around the same time. It was just a little bit after, so I think Coco was like four or five months old when she was having her sleep issues. Oh yeah, transitioning out of our bed into her own bed for the first time is that I remember I was doing a CrossFit workout and what I felt like I ripped my pec on my left side, so it was just this wicked shoulder issue on my left side, right and again, like I'm the doctor who teaches people, at this every day.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:And yet and still, I'm sometimes the worst student. A hundred percent to be like. No, it was because I was doing, I was doing muscle ups and I was doing ring dips and like that's why my pec messed up but the reality is is that shoulders are associated with joy, and that was a time in life when I was like not happy.
Heather Kimbley:I don't think either of us were super hard like we were literally sleeping in separate rooms, right it's supposed to be like the happiest time of your life, and yet we were not joyful in any capacity yeah, because we had a little munchkin who was not sleeping well right to say the least, which was normal and, but I was like.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:What were the options?
Dr Daniel Kimbley:I had to sleep, and so I'm gonna go to the office yeah, and the reason that I valued sleep so much like I could have slept in the same room as you guys. But the reason I wanted to sleep and I valued the sleep is because we know that sleep wrecks our ability to make decisions and think, yes, so we're like, all right, this is the option, we're gonna, I'm gonna sleep in a different room. This is like four weeks that I did it, we I literally slept in our guest bedroom and it wasn't easy, but it was the only thing that made sense so that we could both operate at some level of like more performance than not and to allow for you to be present for every client that you were coming in contact with.
Heather Kimbley:I think that was like the biggest thing for us is like the care that you were providing at the time.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:We wanted to make sure that you were as optimal as possible yeah, so serving and the decisions we make and the stress that we have or don't have a big part of like, I would argue, this number one most important thing obviously would be brain based care, right, but then beyond that, like sleep, prayer, meditation are going to be the number two things that anybody could possibly do right To allow themselves to function at the highest level possible, absolutely.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:Sleep is when we can create our connections for what we learned in a day level possible, absolutely, sleep is when we can create our connections for what we learned in a day. Um, sleep is where our body restores itself. I go on the on, on and on about that, but this episode is not necessarily about sleep. So the stress? So then the question is like all right, well, how would I get, how does that shoulder issue or that back issue, or getting the groceries out of the car? Or I was just doing this hard CrossFit workout. How does that correlate to the same thing that we're talking about with Coco's birth Right and having this employee quit kind of out of the blue on us? And so the answer to that is that it's so interesting that one of the things that happens in a stress response is our body actually starts taking protein so this would be like connective tissue, like our ligaments and tendons and our muscles as well and it starts to break them down when we're stressed.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:When we're stressed, the question would be why? And so we break them down into amino acids again, because those amino acids could then be broken up into glucose, which gets used for energy to fight or run away. Those amino acids can also get used. They get turned into inflammatory markers within the body so that if we got cut open think fight or flight, if a bear is going to attack me and I get cut open, I have inflammation and protective things in my body to go to that site of the wound and be able to heal it more quickly. Okay, so long-term if we have stress in the system. So we have this stress of cocoa being born, and then we have the stress of drop milk supply and where are we going to find milk and how are we going to even run the business and how are we going to do all these things. And then I'm not sleeping well and, like all the stuff that new parents experience, and my realize that my shoulder injury had literally zero to do with the fact that I was doing that workout.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:It had everything to do with that. The conditions within my body were presenting in a way to change what was happening with protein synthesis in the muscle tissue and preparing me for a fight or flight response which ultimately, like, allowed me to my body susceptible to an injury in the first place. Okay, and so the pain was put there as a way to for my brain to say like, hey, you have too much going on mentally right now. I need you to stop. And so there's this twofold approach of like. We start to break down connective tissue, and the front part of the brain, which is the part of the brain that's turned off by stress hormones, sends a pain signal and it actually turns up the pain signal. And pain is only there to get us to pay attention and ultimately, to get us to stop.
Heather Kimbley:Hmm, so tell me more about, like, if somebody was taking amino acids, why that wouldn't be helpful in this situation.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:Yeah, that's a great question I had. It's so funny Mark asked me the same thing last night like a just a genuine he wanted to know question. So when our bodies go into? So remember there's two branches of the nervous system. There's the rest and digest branch, which is the healing branch, that's the parasympathetic branch of the nervous system, and then there's the stress branch, which is the fight or flight branch, right, so we can't be in both at the same time.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:So the key word on the parasympathetic side it's called rest and digest for a very specific reason because it has to do with the digestive process in the body.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:And so in parasympathetic state, our body is going to actually push more blood into the digestive system, into the small intestines, into the large intestines, into the stomach, into the pancreas, to get our body to digest and absorb nutrients better.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:If we're fighting or running that process, the digestive process in our bodies takes about 20% of our body's entire blood flow. So if we were going to fight or run away from a bear, if we have stress, it only makes sense that God would design our bodies to say, hey, why don't we pull out that 20% of blood flow to the gut that we're using and let's divert it into the big muscles so we have oxygen and energy to fight or run away. Okay, so that's great if we're cavemen and women, right. But when we have months and months of stress, like you and I did, and we push out blood consistently day and day out from the digestive system into other parts of the body to prep us to fight or run away, our body's not going to absorb those nutrients from the supplements as well as it could, or even absorb, like if you're eat, people are. I see people all the time who are like, hey, I'm eating clean.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:I'm taking my supplements, I'm working out Right and I'm like that's great, but if your brain still stuck in a stressed out state, then your body is still breaking down protein connective tissue. Yes your body is still stuck in a fight-or-flight state, not in a rest and keyword digest state and so the reason that the supplements don't always work is because we're looking for a band-aid approach. Yes, to something that would actually address the cause, which is, in my opinion, in the world that we operate in the nervous system right.
Heather Kimbley:So you can take all the supplements in the world, but if you're still stressed or your brain is still stuck on this, in stress, the nutrients isn't going to be absorbed and you're essentially just like flushing money down the toilet and I've worked with clients who, like I mean one of them I can think of you probably remember worst case of eczema I've ever seen.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:They were legitimately. She was on and she's like eight, nine years old at the time thousands of dollars of supplements a month, yes, every month. And mom's like I can't.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:I just can't sustain this right she's like can you help at all? And I'm like I don't know, like this is pretty intense. But what I do know is the body knows how to heal itself. And what I do know is that there's a very specific physiology that happens internally when our body goes into a fight or flight state. So if we can get her out of that, her body should resolve its skin issues on its own. That's like the best answer I have. And she's like well, nobody's ever told me that before. So like let's try it, and in three months time we have pictures of like her body completely clear no eczema and no supplements.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:She never needed them in the first place.
Heather Kimbley:And you would say that the eczema was a response to the stress that was on in her system.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:Yeah, so I can't. I don't want to give away the details of that specific client because there are probably people who would know who we were talking about. However, what I can say is that she had a lot of trauma as a kid and that trauma yeah, in the body, was a mental stress to her long before she probably even knew. It was a mental stress, right, um, and like something that no five-year-old child should go through yes, ever or have to go through, and unfortunately it does happen. But what happened to her, um and nothing physically happened to her, by the way, so like, don't think them negative, like that um, but what happened, what happened to her, caused her body to be in such a fight or flight state and pull so much blood from the digestive system for so many years that then she starts to get leaky gut, yes, and so then her body's just dumping toxins into her system and that's where the skin issues come up right.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:So again, if we go back to like all right, skin issues are symptom, it wasn't because she was deficient in vitamins, it's because her nervous system was stuck in a fight or flight state, and that fight or flight state presented itself as eczema right, just like your fight or flight state presented itself as decreased production as my fight or flight state presented itself as a shoulder issue.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:All different emotions I can share there's a bunch of these but like shoulders are associated with joy, so of course I wouldn't feel a lot of joy in life if I'm exhausted.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:Number one I don't get to sleep next to my wife and my daughter. Um, this is like feeling of I don't want to say isolation necessarily, but it wasn't the easiest time to be like man. I'm married and I'm literally living life in like a separate bedroom by myself, so we can figure out the sleep thing with Coco Not a joyful time in life and shoulders show up as joy, and so it was no wonder that I had that issue. And it's so cool because for everything whether it's low back or knees or ankles or hips or skin issues or cancer, like there's an emotional state that's represented with all of them and 95% of what we see in our practice is that the emotions will drive the symptoms because, the emotional stress is what is actually triggering the physiology to cause the pain or the symptoms in the first place.
Heather Kimbley:Yeah, is actually triggering the physiology to cause the pain or the symptoms in the first place. Yeah, and can that happen as far as like, say, for instance, in the office with a client and you go to address what they have going on talking about oh my low back, et cetera, like we were talking about and you bring that to their attention? How quickly can that change?
Dr Daniel Kimbley:Oh, like instantly One of my favorite stories. So we take care of a hairstylist. I'm sure she wouldn't care if I share her name, but I won't, um, when we first. So we have been working with her for a long time and we've had many of these conversations and she's actually what's cool, she's been with us through the transition. So there was a time in practice when I didn't even know this like emotional thing existed, right, right, that it could trigger pain and stress and whatever. So what's cool is, like, as we start working with her, where we got her to, is this thought process that like, oh my gosh, the reason that my shoulder blade hurts so bad is because I have like three or four clients who literally just complain so much and they're so negative when I'm doing their hair. Yes, that is stressing me out and I'm like I see them on the schedule and I dread the day and I'm like that's not necessarily a way to live, right.
Heather Kimbley:And who wants to go to work like that?
Dr Daniel Kimbley:Yeah, nobody wants to go to work and like deal with somebody like that, and so that's why we love our clients so much. And so for her, like what's cool is she's been? She'll literally go. Hey, my shoulders bugging me a little bit more today, like before she gets adjusted.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:And she'll be like but I had this person who, like, they dumped all their stuff on me yesterday and they're just complaining. She already knows and she's like, yeah, completely good now. Yes, because she can get herself out of the mental loop of stress or subconscious stress. That is just a thought process.
Heather Kimbley:Can you talk about the client that came into the office last week and already knew exactly what you were going to say to her? Tell me more. When Megan came in to the office office, she literally walks in the door and she well, first off she called danielle and it's like can I come into the office? I'm experiencing um pain in like my, my jaw, and then she literally walks in the door and goes. I already know dr daniel's gonna tell me I am holding on to all this anger and aggression and she's like I already know what it's contributing to. She just starts literally talking. Like you, she knew exactly what you were going to say to her.
Heather Kimbley:The emotional correlation to the pain that she was experiencing. She's like I'm already bringing it to my realization. She's like I just I know that I need to get adjusted to get out of stress and I mean you can go on with it, but it was just so amazing that she already knew what was happening in her body because she had learned from being under care with us for so long. The emotional stress that can take a toll on the body and the correlation to the pain in the body.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:Yeah, so I didn't know exactly who you're talking about, but now I know full on. So, yeah, that's what's the coolest part I think is of. That is like when you have the awareness that you're subconscious is usually the subconscious thoughts that we have about life and the circumstances that happen to us in life, and these can come from when we were kids, by the way, so these could be agreements that we made. Like for me, I'll tell you, a big one for me is like I don't need anybody.
Heather Kimbley:Like.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:I can do it all on my own and.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:I'm good and I got that from a specific place. We won't talk about that trauma on this episode, but I can, like, pinpoint times in my life when I was taught that from my parents, and not even that they were teaching me it, but the way that in which they were interacting with the world taught me that that's how I should be, is not trusting of other people. And so here's like, literally, she comes in and she's like what's the emotions for jaw? And so I tell her it's like anger, rage, resentment. And she's like, ah, explains it perfectly, she already knew.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:Because, yeah, so like, though, anger, rage, resentment is a specific energy level that triggers a specific physiology, which is the stress hormones cortisol, adrenaline, norepinephrine, which increases heart rate, increases blood pressure, increases blood sugar levels, increases cholesterol levels, increases insulin resistance, increases, uh, our body's blood clotting factors. It increases our fear, anxiety, depression, it increases muscle tension, it decreases bone growth, it decreases growth hormone and testosterone. The list could go on and on and on. And so when, like, she comes in and she has this realization, now we're changing, like she's changing her own thought patterns about her life and she's realizing that there's not something wrong with me, which is also if you think that there's something wrong with you and you're broken.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:That's going to trigger a stress response. That's a negative thought pattern.
Heather Kimbley:How many people do you think really feel that way, that something's?
Dr Daniel Kimbley:wrong with them?
Heather Kimbley:Yes, that they're broken. I think most people yeah.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:Yeah, I mean the amount of times I have to lovingly help people get to the place where I'm like if you could just not come in and lay down and be like my back is jacked up today they identify with that.
Heather Kimbley:Yeah, that's. They turn that into their identity.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:Yes, and it's literally making an agreement of like, yeah, I am broken, yeah, and my body is not worthy and messed up and there's something wrong with it. And when we think that way, that's what happens. Like I shared this I don't remember if I shared it on the last episode but um, the guy who took the medication to kill himself, and then I don't think you shared that. So this dude like he I can't remember what happened or the whole story with him, but there was a guy who took this medication to kill himself, but he was part of a study. So they he, when he goes into the um hospital, the er, okay, the doctors are like we got to figure out what medication he took.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:well, they don't know, because he's on this double-plied placebo study okay, so then they're like and this dude's on death's door right like he's deathbed and the doctors find out that he's taking the sugar pill.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:He's not even taken the actual medication. And so that's how powerful our brains are, that if we believe that something can kill us, it will kill us. If we believe that something is scary, if we believe that something is wrong, our physiology, our literal stress hormones and what happens in our brain will organize itself around that principle to protect us and say I just need you to not die. And so all of his vital stuff shuts down because his body's going. We're going to die. I'm going to do everything I can to just keep you alive, not thrive. And that's a whole point of the care that we get to provide is we get to adjust people.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:We get to wake up the brain so that people can actually thrive, the way God designed the body was to be in a healing state. Yeah, god also just designed us to have these stress hormones to keep our bodies safe and protected. And if we don't, like when people miss that, that we're this idea that we're not broken, right Like I feel like they just completely miss the boat for sure.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:Yeah, wow, that's powerful what do you guys think so good? So like, the most practical thing, um, and it is like getting adjusted, it has to be. You have to have brain-based care yeah, that's, it's very specific adjustments.
Heather Kimbley:Yes, by the way, it's yeah, and like I don't.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:I don't want to go too much into that on the episode of, like how that works.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:That's why someone like our client when she was talking about the person with the jaw she can come in, and she knows in her head that, like, okay, my stress, and what happened in my life over the weekend is what's triggering all of this Like I'm keenly aware of it. The harder part, though, is to actually get that process to stop, like to not think about it as a negative thing. Right, and this is part of why I say, like you know, we talk about the Bible, and the Bible says, like, do not fear, like meditate on my word day and night, and I think about the promises that God made to us. So the most practical thing, I think, is we have to wake up the brain, because when we wake up the brain, the brain says ah, I don't need to fight or run away right now. We can go back into safety.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:We can restore blood flow to the digestive system. We can allow the activation of sex hormones. We can increase our body's oxytocin, which is really connection to other people. We don't. It's so interesting. Oxytocin is responsible for so many things, but, like, check this out. Oxytocin is the thing like when you have a deep connection with someone else. You know, like you just got married, so you know, know it's up, like you know, that connection that you feel you're like, oh my gosh, like this is my dude, like I love you so much.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:Like how I feel about Heather how. I like how much I love. Every day I'm like, oh, coco, I just love you so much, like, so much, I can't even take it. And I tell her all the time, but that that feeling is oxytocin, that's all it is. So it's connection to other people. Why wouldn't we want connect? Why wouldn't we want that feeling in fight or flight? Because if a bear is going to attack us, we don't need that warm and fuzzy.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:We need the opposite of like hey, I'm literally going to kill you or I'm going to run away from you.
Heather Kimbley:Yes.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:We want no connection, no empathy, no warmth, no, none of it. Just get out of there. Yeah, so practical, wake up the brain.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:The other practical things, though, I think and this is something that I'm really trying to work through- so, I'm not great at this because I feel like these last four or five days man Danielle could attest to this as much as I'm trying, I just feel like my whole world is like crumbling where I'm like everything's going to fail and everything sucks and I'm not happy and I'm not good enough to do any of this and like, like literally just the dumbest thoughts of like Wes doesn't like being here and Nadege is going to quit tomorrow and Danielle's like got another job lined up and you know, like I have all these stupid crazy fearful thoughts which is no wonder why I can't sleep, because stress hormones subconscious stress triggers anxiety and alertness to look for the next scary thing.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:So my sleep's been worse and I could show you on my whoop like that you can literally see that my sleep's been more negative. Of course you do so, and there's someone coughing keeping me up at night.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:So anyway, I share that to say like being aware of the thoughts that we think, but then also looking at those thoughts and being like okay, how is this a good thing? Or the question I've been asking is like God, what are you trying to show me? Like, where are you trying to show me that I need work? Like, are you trying to show me that I'm idolizing money? Or that I'm idolizing like people in my life?
Heather Kimbley:Yeah, Well, this is also where, like, meditation and prayer comes in as, like, the next best option under brain-based care, as far as, like, being able to adapt to the stress Um, just placing yourself in that least stressed mental state, because you had said, mentally and emotionally, that's what controls that physiology and if you can allow your body to get in a more restful state with that more grateful state, more joyful state, more peaceful state, which is exactly where the front part of the brain comes in as well.
Heather Kimbley:We know that with the specific adjustments, and so if you can place yourself in that position, it's going to automatically reduce your stress in the system as well.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:Yeah, so the anything that I guess that most practical advice I could give is that anything that activates a prefrontal cortex is going to be better and advantageous to shut off stress hormones, right, and so prayer is going to be huge, like optimism and hope and faith comes from the front part of the brain, right? So you know, like I said for me, that the game is figuring out, what am I trying to be shown? Like I said for me, the game is figuring out. What am I trying to be shown? How is this a?
Dr Daniel Kimbley:win, and when you realize that you're probably actually not going to die, that life is probably going to be okay, and work itself out it has at every instance, in my life ever and I've been in some pretty dark places with dark people and darkness and I've made in some pretty dark places with like dark people and darkness and I've made it through, and I think most people have, unless they just choose a different way. So I think piece of it is for me now looking back and just going like, okay, I didn't like it didn't all crumble down there. I highly it didn't crumble down two years ago when or sorry, not two years ago, but two years into practice. Oh yeah, when, when we had no idea how we were going to run this thing with just me. Yeah, um, it probably isn't going to crumble when I have an amazing team right who I think probably believes in me more than I do most days, and so an amazing wife who definitely believes in me and like prays for me every single day.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:So I think that's a big piece of it is just realizing like, yeah, you're not going to fail and if you do, it's a learning experience. Right, it's going to be, it's going to turn out to be a good thing. And then you can look back and be like, okay, that's awesome, like what we learn from all the stress with Coco. So many things. It brought us closer together. In a lot of ways. It made me realize something. Us closer together. In a lot of ways it made me realize something this is probably one of the biggest ones that people don't know is like I learned that postpartum depression and the things that come with it are actually real. And people.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:I was serving. I've like before that I didn't have any, like I had no understanding for what that meant. I'm just like, yeah, your hormones are rebalancing, but like no, postpartum depression is real.
Heather Kimbley:I legit experienced postpartum rage and aggression and depression and anxiety Like it was a real thing.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:Yeah, and so you know that lesson, that experience taught me that. And I can look back on it now and be like, okay, it's a good thing. So, just looking back on the past, fears or worries or places where you feel like you're going to fail?
Dr Daniel Kimbley:Yes, and reframing those to be like all right, what I learned, what was my lesson from this, what was I trying to be shown from this? Um, another practical thing is like literally just moving. So I don't think a lot of people know this or understand, but, like everybody, everybody talks about working out and if we're getting, if we're getting like too far off of the like stress emotions thing, just bring me back. But like, people talk everybody's like what workout should I do? What workout should I do? And like you, don't, the best workout that you could possibly do is walk. I just saw somebody post on a Facebook page today. They're like hey, I have osteoporosis, I'm super young, what can I do? And like everybody's listing all these supplements you can take. And I'm like you know that weight bearing exercise is the number one thing you can do to strengthen your bones, because if you put weight on your bones, your body is going to naturally respond with building them up stronger right, which is why people who are obese very rarely get osteoporosis, because they carry more weight, so their bones are carrying
Dr Daniel Kimbley:more pressure, which they have to be denser in order to carry the carry it in the first place makes sense. Physics it's crazy. Um, it sounds like so simple, but that's how the body's organized. So walking for a number of reasons, but I'll just say like, just to talk about the frontal cortex, when we're walking outdoors you have so many things. So you're out in like clean air, yes, you're usually getting sunlight in your eyes, which is arguably beneficial. Great, I would take off the sunglasses if you're wearing sunglasses. Yes, you're getting sunlight on your skin. And then the coolest part is that activation of the frontal cortex. So movement, like driving your legs off of the ground, not off of a treadmill, is one of the biggest ways that your brain gets stimulation and exercise.
Heather Kimbley:Why not a treadmill?
Dr Daniel Kimbley:Because on a treadmill the mat moves under you, so you tend to do more hip flexion versus like literally driving your legs to propel yourself forward off of the ground. So the other benefit. So that's one Um. What's also interesting is that drive of the legs actually allows your body to use protein um more effectively and break down amino acids and build, build up muscle.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:So if you want to talk about, like most people are just doing, like biceps, upper body stuff, they don't focus on their legs, but drive of the legs is actually what allows our bodies to use more protein and build up more muscle, and it boosts testosterone as well. So only of the legs. The other thing this is the most important thing when we get outside and we walk, the things that are passing by you on both sides of your eyes is very stimulating to the frontal cortex.
Heather Kimbley:Oh, tell us more about that.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:And so I mean there's not much more to tell except for, like that, your eye movements, in the way that you're tracking and the way that you're looking at things and the way that your brain is scanning its environment is very stimulating to the frontal cortex.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:And then we can go, like, if you want to add another layer to it. I tell people this a lot. I'm like hey, why don't you just walk? But like, walk with your spouse. So now remember, frontal cortex is responsible for our connection to others. Yes, it's responsible for turning off a pain signal. It's responsible for motivation. It's responsible for grit and willpower. It's responsible for goal setting.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:There's all these things it's responsible for. It's responsible for success. So if we get outside to activate the parasympathetic system and activate the frontal cortex, constriction and dilation of the pupils like back and forth, is really really good for the body. So like kids in and out, in and out is really really good for their brains Same thing. So most of us sit inside like 90% of the day and we go outside just between getting in the car and walking in the grocery store less than 10 minutes a day a lot of people yeah, so like getting outside changes the way our pupils dilate and constrict, so that's stimulating to the brain.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:Um, and then we also have this if you're walking with someone and you're with, like if you and I went for a walk together, usually we're going to be forced to talk, unless coco's with someone and you're with, like if you and I went for a walk together usually we're going to be forced to talk, unless Coco's with us. And then I'm sprinting with Coco and you're walking walking by myself because Coco's so fast and amazing.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:So like I just share that, because there's so many things that you can do. So now we're driving our legs, we're boosting our body's ability to use protein, we're increasing testosterone, which is going to build our body's ability to build muscle. If you know anything about muscle and everything that all the new science talks about with muscle is like muscle is a longevity organ, is what people say. So the more we lose muscle mass at the rate of about 1% after the age of 30 for men, um, so every year we're using another, losing another 1% of muscle mass, unless you're actively taking steps to keep it of muscle mass, unless you're actively taking steps to keep it. And so what we're finding is that muscle mass in men is a direct indicator of longevity.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:And so if our muscle mass drops as we get older, it would only make sense that if we're walking and we're boosting testosterone and we're using protein better, then our bodies are actually we're going to it's going to contribute to longevity Then. So we're stimulating the frontal cortex in all these ways. To put that long story very, very short. Then we add in the connection of a partner. So now remember what I said front part of the brain is responsible for connection. So we're having to use cognitive executive function to walk and talk and have a conversation with somebody that we love or we care about, and so that's like another level and another layer of stimulating the brain. So now we've stacked movement plus being outside, plus the way that walking stimulates the eyes and the brain plus a connection with a partner, and so all of those things together.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:It just boosts the frontal cortex in a way that like there's really not a lot of other things that can, and that's why it feels so good. When you go for a walk on the beach and you're like dude, this feels amazing. Or you go on a walk and you're like, even when you're tired, you're like I just feel reinvigorated or rejuvenated after going on that walk. Um, it's no surprise and again, it's just physiology. Our bodies were built to move. Wow.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:Our bodies were built to move, so to circle back like what is all. So to circle back like what is all, because I feel like we went way off down a rabbit hole. What is that? Does that make sense? Are we doing good? Yeah, sometimes we just have to extract ourselves from our environments and understand a little bit of how our system works, to reset it and reboot it. A perfect example of this when we talk about walking.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:So one of the things I learned in chiropractic school, which I thought is so cool and then we'll like wrap up this thought is we have these things called neuromodulators. So what neuromodulators do they're so cool? So, at the synapses your body, your brain, your axon or your like, we'll just say at your synapses, your neurons release these hormones. Right, and there are all kinds of different hormones that are released. Sometimes it's stress hormones, sometimes it's dopamine, sometimes serotonin. It's just dependent on what the synapses are. So when the synapse releases too much of a hormone, neuromodulators will travel down the neuron. It will pick these up and carry them back to where it gets released so they can reuse them again.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:But what happens is neuromodulators get run out. They run out over time, or they get burnt out and they start moving really, really slow. So our reuptake of hormones or neurotransmitters become slower. So this is why they say people, humans, really only have about like a 10 minute to 15 minute attention span. Moving like stopping a task and moving immediately reneuron modulates your body like they don't. They reset themselves so they're not exhausted anymore and so you can actually come back and focus more. So, like again, if we just talk about what does that do for the brain, right? Um, neuromodulators are so cool because every 15 minutes you should be out, like on whatever task, about every 15, some people probably more like 20, um should be up and moving anyway, because it allows those neuromodulators to reset themselves so that they can do their job more efficiently. Whoa, yeah, that's crazy, kind of cool.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:So, walking achieves that, and then again we're stimulating the part of the brain, and all of this is just in line with the way that God created our physiology, but more so, it just has to be a commitment to living in line with the way that we were created in the first place.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:So this would be a vitalistic principle. So vitalism means the body is self-regulating, self-maintaining and self-healing. And I'll give you a perfect example I scraped my knuckles last week throwing something in a dumpster upstairs. It's still healing. But guess what? It's healing and I haven't had to wake up one single time in the morning and be like, oh, I need to make sure I heal that thing today.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:My body's just doing it all the time. So we have trillions of processes that happen in our bodies. Most people are making decisions that are creating more stress, that are preventing themselves from healing in the first place. And it's just like stacking. Yeah, and the stress is just stacking. So we're organizing our lives around. Grind harder. We're organizing our lives around. I don't have time to cook my meals. I'm going to eat crappy fast food.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:I don't have time to worry about what water I drink, so I'm just going to drink my chemical laden fluoride water.
Heather Kimbley:I don't have time to work out.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:Yeah, I don't have time to work out or I don't have time to drive to do that doctor's appointment, but the reality is is like you may not have the time to, but what you're losing out on from not spending that time is the energy to actually enjoy the money that you're making by hustling, and the energy what you're losing out on from not spending that time is the energy to actually enjoy the money that you're making by hustling, and the energy that you're losing and draining that you won't be able to spend with your family because you're burnt and spent and exhausted, and being able to be present, and so, like I don't think you know, I think a lot of hardcore entrepreneurs think that it's all about money and I'm not saying money doesn't create some level of ease in life, but at the end of the day, like if I gave you $10 million right now, today but, I,
Dr Daniel Kimbley:said you're going to have to be in the hospital for the rest of your life, would you take it? Absolutely not. No, because you realize that, like, my energy matters more than the money that I have. Yes, because, if it didn't, you would just be like, yeah, I'll lay in the hospital bed with $10 million, but I won't be able to use any of it.
Heather Kimbley:Yeah, what are you going to do with?
Dr Daniel Kimbley:that Right. Great, that's awesome. The same thing is true when we talk about time If I gave you $10 million today, but I told you you're going to die tomorrow. Would you take it? No, no one would no, because time is more important than money.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:So it's again recognizing what matters, yes, and defining what wealth and success is, and fear and stress and worry and going all the way back to the beginning of your story. Yeah, all of those things tap our energy and they end up wasting our time. And we do all of these things chasing resources mostly money, not everyone, but mostly money to try and fill a stress hole that we can never fill. Yeah, and what we really need is just to activate the front part of the brain so that we can experience all of it abundantly. We can attract more money more easily, we can feel more connected to God, we can feel more connected to our partner, we can feel more connected to our patients or clients. Yeah, and we can do it with fun and the energy to do it all. Right, that's good. Yeah, what's up with that?
Speaker 3:it's great. I love how you tied that in with the time yeah, what else?
Dr Daniel Kimbley:um, okay, last. I have one last little point to just like go through. So part of this. So we talked about your. So we talked about milk supply, right, uh, we talked about my shoulder, we talked about Megan's jaw, we talked about entrepreneurs just a little bit.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:But I think, like in general, one of the things that I think is just important to remember with all of this stuff is that the mental thought that we have will create issues in our body. They can be physical, but they can also be a number of other things, and so when we talk about disease, whether it's like lack of sleep or diabetes or cancer or digestive issues or like any obesity, it doesn't matter. When we look at the physiology of what happens when we stress and when we stress mentally specifically. So just the thoughts that we think I'll give you. This is so crazy. So think about this, because a lot of people probably listening or sitting here, going like I'm not stressed, like I make good money, my wife's cool, my kids are cool, I drive a cool sports car, like it's all good, life is great. So my question for those people would be what did it feel like when you were standing at the altar or walking down the aisle on your wedding day.
Heather Kimbley:My heart was pumping.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:Heart was pumping, yeah, okay. Is that any different of a feeling than if someone cuts you off in traffic, or the feeling that you had when we found out that our employee was going to quit?
Heather Kimbley:No, I mean, my heart was pumping for both.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:Yeah, so heart was pumping for both the exact same. There's no difference between walking down the aisle on your wedding day and finding out this employee's leaving. Yeah. How are we going to do this and figure it out? Or someone cutting us off in traffic? Or if there was an attacker that came in here to mess us up. Yeah, so same three stress hormones cortisol, adrenaline, norepinephrine they're called the catecholamines.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:It doesn't matter whether it's wedding day or car accident or attacker comes in here to get us Same three stress hormones. So the reason I bring that up is because it affects the life outcome. So when we talk about disease is one and we can look at, you know, increased heart rate, increased blood pressure, that's going to be cardiovascular disease. I won't get too much into like the rabbit hole in the ways of all that, Uh, but that's like that's one piece of this right. So when we talk about life outcomes of the stress and the thoughts that we think mentally can mess us up from a disease perspective and we know this to be true, we talked about it last time the adverse childhood experience, yes. Next one, how much money we make. So I would argue that the amount of money that someone can make, is dependent on how well they can solve problems for other people.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:And a lot of people who are entrepreneurs have like, heard this before. Right, so, like, what's the level of problem that you're solving for someone else? Right, right and so, and we all are in our own ways. So, if the front part of the brain is not able to effectively, like, sort through information, to make a decision about how could I actually help this person.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:Remember that fighting and running away has nothing. You don't want to help, you want to kill or get away. Okay, you don't want to help, right. You don't want to sit around and create value, like the stress hormones literally turn off the part of the brain, the prefrontal cortex, that would prevent us from actually being financially successful. Adverse childhood experience study says the same thing that kids who are more stressed when they're younger actually make less money when they are older than kids who don't have as much stress.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:Why? Because of the stress hormones. Again, it's just neurophysiology. It all comes back to chemicals in our system and the coolest part about it is God gave us them. I got to just like keep reminding people that I'm going to say this forever. We have them to keep us safe and protected, but they don't serve us for success, and so we have to have ways to get out of it.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:Uh, for relationships, we talked about connection right and oxytocin. For the physical body, I talked about breakdown of protein and connective tissue. So that same thing is like when we look at life outcomes and what people feel like they're going to, like how their body's operating or how successful they are, how much energy they've used or any of those things. It always is all going to come down to one thing and one thing only, and that is literally how much stress hormone is pumping in the system and how much is not. And there's a subcortical you cannot feel it process involved with this.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:Maybe can somebody write this down for me to talk about it on another episode. Um, about just subcortical stress in general and what that even means. And then that question is why, like why? Oh, let me talk about one more thing, um connection to god. Okay, I think this is super important. So the frontal cortex is responsible for faith, for hope, for optimism, right? So when we're working with people and they tell me in their progress evals and we know this to be true we know this to be true People write in their progress eval. One of the biggest changes is I hear God's voice more clearly. So cool, why would that be?
Heather Kimbley:So, positive stress, negative stress, no matter what, can create the same physiological symptoms in your body. Yep, exactly, no matter their circumstances.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:Yeah. So this is why it's keenly aware to be super hyper aware of the thoughts that we think and the words that we speak, because if I'm saying again back to, if I'm sick and I'm broken and I'm hurt and I'm messed up and I'm jacked up all the time right, I'm triggering my body's physiology to express that.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:And if I'm not, if I change my words, if I'm healthy, if I'm expressing health, if I'm vital, if I'm alive, if I'm strong yes, if my body's doing what God designed it to do, then my physiology is literally organizing itself around that. And this is how stress affects the brain and affects all of our life outcomes, and 95% of it is the thoughts that we think.
Heather Kimbley:Crazy.
Dr Daniel Kimbley:Yeah, pretty cool. All right, fam, we love you guys. Guys, we'll talk to you next week, peace.
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