Crafting Your Chiropractic Identity — Confidence, Conviction & Certainty

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[00:00:00] What is happening with my kid? Here's why chiros are quacks because literally another chiropractor is telling me that every time you stress, you're turning off the most important part of your brain. My best friend's dad was a chiropractor and I can remember having like wicked neck pain one day, and my best friend is like, dad, you should adjust him.

[00:00:15] And his dad said to me, he was like, you don't want to get adjusted by me because you'll have to keep getting adjusted or you'll be in pain forever. You always grew up thinking that chiros were quack. Chiropractors are quacks. They can't help me with anything 'cause I could relate to that so much. 

[00:00:27] It's, it's not really a grind for me.

[00:00:29] It's, I'm living my dream. Literally. 

[00:00:31] Every person listening right now knows what the right thing to do and the wrong thing to do is. But a lot of times they just give into the easy thing.

[00:00:42] Hey, what is that family? Welcome back to another episode of the Profitable Chiro Network. I'm your host, Dr. Daniel, and I have my good friend. Um, just growing and like the love that I have for you George. Then Dejas, he's on today. Um, and we are gonna talk about his journey, his experience, [00:01:00] and just what like we love about life and what we've learned in practice and serving people.

[00:01:05] And really it will be a conversation about identity. But before we get into that, I would love to just bring up the conversation of having you introduce yourself. Um, tell us where you're from and then also like give us your story of how you got here and go far as far back as you need to to do that. 

[00:01:22] Hey everybody.

[00:01:23] I'm Dr. George. Uh, I'm from Indio, California. And I guess just my, my story of how everything began for me is in, when I started high school, my mom. Found a chiropractor or more, more so far a chiropractor found my mom and she went in, did her exam and got her first adjustment and she was like, I need to get my whole family under care.

[00:01:46] So that's what she did. And then that was how I started receiving chiropractic care. I didn't really know anything about chiropractic other than chiropractors are quacks and they're not really real doctors and [00:02:00] um, but. I didn't really have a choice whether to go or not. So I went and I started noticing, um, just like small little changes.

[00:02:09] I didn't have like a super profound change, but I started noticing small things. Like I had a really bad, uh, neck ache in my CT junction that I had for years on end, and that like magically went away. One day I woke up and I was like, I don't really feel this anymore, and just like a lot less tension in my body, but as I went throughout high school.

[00:02:28] There was this program in my high school called Medical Health Academy and I ended up joining that and that was, uh, such a perfect setup 'cause it led me down the route of learning so many things about the medical field and led me down the, they provided us different options of what we can choose to, um.

[00:02:47] Essentially like follow a career path down. Mm-hmm. And PT was one of the most popular ones. Physical therapy. Yeah. And I was super into physical therapy 'cause I got injured a lot and I did a lot of physical therapy as a patient. And so I went down the physical therapy [00:03:00] route and I did 300 internship hours, which is a lot.

[00:03:03] That's like 56 hour shifts. Yeah. And, um, just a lot of experience in that. And so I ended up going down that route. Went to undergrad for kinesiology, uh, to follow that passion that I had for physical therapy. And then as the journey went along halfway through, I started finishing my general education.

[00:03:24] Halfway through I realized, you know, I don't really like PT the way that I used to. And um, yeah, I just felt kinda lost. And I searched for a couple different careers that I wanted to go into. Athletic training, occupational therapy, uh. I'm trying to think of the list I had. I literally had an entire list.

[00:03:46] Yeah. And I was like crossing the things off the list and I'm like, no, I don't wanna do this. I don't wanna sacrifice these things that would help me get into this career. And then magically one day I just woke up and I was like, why have I never thought about the chiropractic rep? [00:04:00] And so I started thinking about that.

[00:04:03] I looked into it. Um, not a lot really happened. And then I came down to my last semester in undergrad. And we were required to get a internship. So at this time it's already COVID. Uh, I had moved outta my apartment that I had moved back home to Indio, and I was required to find either like an online internship or something in person.

[00:04:24] And it came down to like the last week before the deadline, and I didn't know what to do. Um, ex-girlfriend of mine at the time was like, why don't you just go intern at your old chiropractor's office? So that's what I did. And literally just within being there for a month, I, my life completely changed because I, like, I was familiar with chiropractic.

[00:04:41] I had it all throughout high school. Yeah. And I loved the whole concept of it, the vitalistic principle of it, but I just never. If you would've told me that I'll pay you a million dollars to continue education after undergraduate, I would, there was no way. And I would went and did this internship and, um, within a [00:05:00] month, I, I just fell in love with what I saw and I had this strong calling that I never had before of this is what I was meant to do.

[00:05:08] And, uh. It was just seeing on a small scale, seeing the interactions that my chiropractor would have with his, with his patients. Mm-hmm. And, uh, just the love that he had, the joy that he had from each interaction, but on a grand scale, just seeing how much it was impacting their lives. Like very minimal for some people, but some people were having life changing things happen in the office for them.

[00:05:30] And it was just something that I wanted to dig into more. So then I applied to chiro school. Luckily the three chiropractors in the office, they were all like, go to Life West. Go to Life West. Go to Life West. And so I ended up checking out the website. They reached out to me. And then a couple months later I was enrolled into the program and there was moving to the Bay Area.

[00:05:49] Um, doing one of the longest distances from my family that I've ever done, uh, was really hard for me. Um, that was my journey to chiropractic school. [00:06:00] Going through it, it was an, an amazing experience. I wouldn't trade it for anything. It was definitely hard. I had no idea what I was getting myself into. But, um, it was, it was fun.

[00:06:11] It was all the things. And then as I got to, that was probably like the most profound change that I've gone through in life was those three and a half years that I was there. Yeah. And, uh. Getting towards the end of it. One of the things that I did in, there's a lot of clubs at most chiropractic schools and one of the clubs that I was heavily involved with, um, Daniel and I, we have a mutual friend and I was taking a trip down to SoCal to look for an internship and he recommended one of the people that he recommended to me was Daniel.

[00:06:41] And so I came to check out the office and yeah, I don't know, just the moment that I stepped in here, it just felt like home. 

[00:06:49] So good. Um, dude, I have so many questions for you. What, all right. So one couple clarifying questions. One, when did you start, you started chiropractic when you were in high school, like you started receiving it?

[00:06:58] Yes. Or, okay. 

[00:06:59] [00:07:00] Yeah. 

[00:07:00] Um, just to like clarify, I, so we're gonna go, we'll come back to the office in a second. Okay. But give me, um, your biggest like. You said chiro, you always grew up not thinking that chiros were quacks. And I did too. Like I told this story in the first episode, my best friend's dad was a chiropractor, and I can remember having like wicked neck pain one day and my best friend is like, dad, you should adjust him.

[00:07:24] And his dad said to me, he was like, you don't wanna get adjusted by me because you'll have to keep getting adjusted or you'll be in pain forever. Mm-hmm. Which is totally not true by the way. Uh, and you know that now, but we can talk about it. So that was my kind of intro is like, oh, here's why chiros are quacks because literally another chiropractor is telling me that.

[00:07:40] Mm-hmm. But for you, what was your, like, why did you have that, that belief, that thought process of like, chiropractors are quacks, they can't help me with anything. 'cause I could relate to that so much. 

[00:07:49] It was just other people. Yeah. Like being influenced by other people. Yeah. I, I'm a very, um, I don't even know like what to call it, but I just sway towards people's opinions a lot [00:08:00] in my life.

[00:08:00] And that was one of the ones that just got me good. 'cause for a long time I just always thought they were, they were quacks. And when I, when I actually got to experience one, I was like, okay, this, they're not quacks. But, um, I just didn't, then it came to the educational part where like, I don't want to do all that schooling.

[00:08:16] Yeah. It's so interesting 'cause you, I can hear like when you were talking about pt, you were all on the track and then you realize like right at the very end that you didn't wanna do it. 

[00:08:27] Mm-hmm. 

[00:08:28] Um, like can, I don't know, dude, it's just cool to hear you say that because I think that, I feel like there's somewhere in there where it's like, that would be the smarter way to go is to do pt.

[00:08:39] Mm-hmm. And my wife's a physical therapist, so, and you know this so. It doesn't, sometimes it doesn't make sense of like, well, why would you be a chiropractor? Or why would you quit practicing pt? So what was the switch then for you where like something had to shift in you? Because most people are not gonna be like, oh, that's cool that you're gonna chiropractic school.

[00:08:57] Like even my dad was like, bro, he's like, I hope [00:09:00] it works out. 

[00:09:00] Yeah. 

[00:09:01] Like I'm really nervous that you're gonna fail. And he's like, you can always come back and stay with me if it doesn't go well. Like that was my dad telling me that. Yeah. So like for you, what was the shift? Because. I feel like PT would've been the safe thing to do.

[00:09:13] Yeah. But then the purposeful, passionate thing to do for you was go chiropractic route. So like what was the shift? Mm-hmm. In your mindset? 

[00:09:24] Yeah. For me, I think the three things that come to mind is one was just like the development of the person who I was. Mm-hmm. That changed a lot during that time. The second thing.

[00:09:36] The second thing was I really, I, I feel, I truly believe that. I just wanted to have something to tell people. 'cause everyone was asking me like, what are you gonna school for? Yeah. And I wanted to have something to tell people, like, oh, I'm gonna school to become a physical therapist. Uh, when in reality was more so like I was going for a kinesiology degree.

[00:09:53] Yeah. But at the time, like I didn't know the difference between the two. And, um, I think another thing that [00:10:00] kind of swayed me away from PT was, I wa I. I mean, how ironic that we're talking about identity, but I always told myself like, I'm not that smart of a person. Mm-hmm. And I know PT school was really competitive and for me, I just didn't have the best of grades.

[00:10:15] And I knew that it was gonna be really tough. So I was like, I don't know if I, that was kind of just like the cherry on top of like, yeah, this is a route that doesn't seem easy. And I always took the easy path. So it was something that I just kind of, um, let go of along the way. I think once I, going back to the development as a person, once I realized that the passion wasn't there, yeah.

[00:10:36] I was like, I don't wanna get into something and put so much work into it and then realize once I'm in the career, like, dang, I don't, I actually don't wanna be doing this. 

[00:10:44] Dude, it's so interesting because like I think about how many times you and I have sit, sat in on exams with people and they're like, how come nobody else tells us?

[00:10:52] Like, how come nobody else talked about that, that, so like, again, you mentioned identity and that's the whole point of the episode, but like that idea [00:11:00] that, oh. Maybe I'm not smart enough to be a PT and not saying that PTs aren't smart, that's not the thing. Mm-hmm. But like how many times we sit with people who have worked with everybody and they're like, how come nobody told me this before?

[00:11:12] You know what I mean? Yeah. It's so cool because arguably, I mean, I don't know, you tell me, dude. Like is it harder to explain what we do and how we do it versus what it would be to just be like, Hey, we just need to stretch out these muscles, or strengthen that, or whatever. 

[00:11:26] Uh, no. It's just different. Yeah.

[00:11:29] Different. It gets down to the source of it, in my opinion. 

[00:11:32] Yep, for sure. And that, yeah, we can talk, we don't, we can go down the whole rabbit hole with vitalistic principles. Um, okay. So you mentioned when you were in your doc's office when you did that kind of like last minute, I'm just gonna go do this internship at my doc's office.

[00:11:48] Yeah. In Indio. Um. What was, was there like one big moment or, 'cause you said like, I like the interactions. 

[00:11:55] Mm-hmm. 

[00:11:56] Was there anything specific that you can think of where you're like, [00:12:00] dude, that is what I want, like that's the impact that I wanna have. Like whether it's a result from a patient or just the interactions that the doc was having.

[00:12:07] Is there anything specific where you're like, that was the thing? 

[00:12:10] Yeah. It's like coming to me as, as you're asking that question, it was him turning around and it wasn't just one time, it was multiple times him turning around and just. Seeing the passion in his eyes and saying, telling me like, I just, I love what I do.

[00:12:23] Yeah. How can you not love this? It's like every person that comes in is my friend and I get to interact with them and help them in a way that not a lot of people can. 

[00:12:31] Yeah. So cool. Yeah. I mean, dude, I tell people that all I don't, I think you know this, um, I, you gotta share this story of when you were leaving from your border view and like, do you know what I'm talking about, the story that you told me when everybody's like, oh, we gotta go back to the grind.

[00:12:44] Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'll have you tell that story in a second, but. Dude, I tell, I like, don't let people, whether you have to work today. I am like, no, I don't have to work. I go to the office because just we get to hang out with people who we love and we absolutely love. So that's a side note, but for you, dude, tell [00:13:00] me like everybody listening, they don't know this story.

[00:13:02] I know it, but I think it's so special. So you're leaving boards. Give me the thing that you, you told me, you're like, Hey, you won't believe what they said. And I'm like, no, that's not my case. So like, can you share that? Just because I think it's so powerful and it does. I think that ties like directly into identity and where we're going.

[00:13:18] Yeah. So I was, uh, I was leaving the Bay Area 'cause I was up there for a boards review and uh, one of my friends was like, oh man, so back to the grind. Ha. And I was like, I took a moment and I paused and I was like, actually dude, no, like. It's not really a grind for me. It's, I'm living my dream, literally.

[00:13:37] And the moment that I moved here and just started experiencing life down here, started experiencing life in the office, everything's been like a, a dream come true. And some of the things, it's like I never knew that I had that dream, but as I live it, it's just, it's so, words can't even describe it. 

[00:13:56] So cool.

[00:13:57] Yeah, I mean, dude, it takes a lot of risk going from like, okay, you went life [00:14:00] west and then back home for just a minute. In that little transition. Yeah. Just basically over the holidays and then moving to South County. Mm-hmm. Which is not easy to do for anyone, but you made it happen, and then like here, crushing it, taking care of lots of people.

[00:14:20] You gotta learn a whole new system. And it's, I would argue, I don't know, you can tell me if I'm wrong, but I feel like its probably even more challenging because you're actively trying to learn the stuff. Not even learn the stuff, but just remember the stuff. For boards. Mm-hmm. But then also knowing that there's like an entirely different way that we practice.

[00:14:36] Yeah. And holding like two beliefs at the same time. So I just commend you for, because most people would say like, that's not possible. Right? Yeah. Um, but on the other side of like you seeing that there's more for your life, you get to experience like dude, the office surfing so much other stuff. Like, we've just seen so much growth in you, so it's [00:15:00] super cool.

[00:15:01] Yeah. 

[00:15:01] Thanks for acknowledging that. Yeah, I mean, it's, it's amazing. Alright, so before we go in, we're gonna shift, we're gonna go into mindset, but before we go there, um, what has been in like, and you may have already mentioned it when you talked about coming back where you're like, I'm going back to the dream, not to the Grind.

[00:15:18] Yeah. Which could potentially be the title of this podcast, I think. But give me, what's been your biggest takeaway from being here at this office? Big, small, doesn't really matter, but like, what's your biggest takeaway? I 

[00:15:29] think my biggest takeaway is, uh, just the, the way that it can all be delivered, and I almost wanna say the way chiropractic care could be delivered, but it's so much more than chiropractic care.

[00:15:40] It's like the whole experience. 

[00:15:42] Go tell me more. The, 

[00:15:45] like when 

[00:15:45] you say the whole experience, what do you mean? Because like people are, there's a whole, there's chiros listening. There's probably people who are like rolling into a office that the fun. Anyway, I won't even go there. People are probably rolling into offices where they don't have the same experience.

[00:15:57] Yeah. So just like elaborate for, so you can [00:16:00] give anybody listening like a picture of what it could potentially look like. 

[00:16:04] Yeah. I think this is more so for like the chiro side, but just I'd never imagined a schedule with three and a half work. Uh. Three and a half day work week. 

[00:16:13] Mm-hmm. 

[00:16:14] So that right off the bat was like really, uh, profound for me.

[00:16:17] Yeah. Because I had never experienced anything like that, and it is so nice. Um, but more so just like the, the way that we present ourselves to the people that walk in our office, the way that we provide care, the language that we use, um, and more so the, just the principle of. Brain-based care and always coming back to the brain.

[00:16:40] 'cause it's very different. And I know we're gonna talk about this later in the episode, but it's very different from what everything that I learned in school. Yep. And everything that I, that was talked about outside of school too. Like when I came here, it was the first time that I've, I'd ever. Heard an approach like that or that focus the way that we do on the brain?

[00:16:59] What do you think? [00:17:00] Oh, just the focus on the brain. Um, okay. So speaking of the brain, let's go into mindset a little bit. I think it's a good transition. Mm-hmm. So, but we're gonna go out. We're not gonna talk about the brain too much on this episode, but for you, give me a comparison of like, where were you on a mindset perspective around like money, uh, success, what was possible for your life versus where you sit today?

[00:17:26] So even, I mean, it's been five, let's say five months. Yeah. What's different from the time? You got here to now, in terms of mindset, beliefs about money, beliefs about what you could accomplish for yourself, what do you feel like the differences are? 

[00:17:43] Uh, just a lot more faith, honestly. 'cause when I, not to say that I didn't have any when I moved here, but it was, it just wasn't as strong as it is now.

[00:17:52] When you say faith, what do you mean? Just the, the belief that everything will work itself out. Yeah. Because that's always been a pretty strong belief, uh, in my [00:18:00] life. But. Just the growth that's happened since, I mean, we're in May, so since I got here, January 1st has improved tremendously. Um, and there's been a lot of times where I'm like, I don't know how I'm gonna pay rent this month.

[00:18:14] Yep. But I just know it's gonna happen. And like, trusting in that was, uh, it's just grown a lot more. And just trusting that, you know, I'm gonna pass all my board exams, everything's gonna work itself out, that you guys aren't just gonna ditch me on the curve one day. Um, so many fears and insecurities and limiting beliefs that I've just been slowly getting put down.

[00:18:35] Um, but mindset, it's, it's definitely still something that I'm working on, on a daily basis. Yeah. Um, but it's, it's very different in the aspect that I'm just, I'm, I feel more, I feel a lot more confident. There's a lot more conviction growing in me and the person who I am and knowing what I do. Yep. Um.

[00:18:53] Those are the two biggest things. 

[00:18:54] What do you feel like it's a grind? Like dude, you're taking on a lot. So you're, you had to learn all of our [00:19:00] systems, like every piece of communication from answering the phone to a new client consult, to report a findings to what do we do after to table talk, explaining the nervous system in the way that we do.

[00:19:12] Like you've had to learn a ton. Yeah. But you've also had to take. Part two, part three, you're about to take part four. You still have pt, you still have an ethics exam. So like you have a lot of stuff plus like paying bills. Yeah. So my question and like, be honest, 'cause I really don't know, but I, I would love to know, does it, has it felt like a grind?

[00:19:33] Yeah, definitely has. And like, I mean, I, I think I was sharing this with you and Wes, uh, probably about a month ago or two months ago, but it's like. Every single day is a grind, but it is so enjoyable that it's just, I love every part of it. Yeah. You know, and there was it like, there's no way that I can say that it's not a grind.

[00:19:54] There's days where I was. Literally the moment we would go on our lunch, I would clock in. 'cause I work, I deliver food for a [00:20:00] DoorDash and GrubHub and I would just clock in and work any moment that I had. But then at the same time, like I had to keep in mind that I gotta study as much as I can for my board exams and study all the material in here too, so I can become efficient and communicating and just know all the ways of all the systems.

[00:20:15] Um, but like I said, every single moment is so enjoyable. 

[00:20:20] See, that's like, that's what's special to me because. I don't think most people have that. Mm-hmm. I think they like work Monday through Thursday. Monday through Friday. Some people Monday through Saturday. Yep. And then they're, the disconnect is like, okay, now I get to go have fun.

[00:20:37] Versus even Yeah, dude, like it's hard. We work hard, we record a podcast multiple times a week. We have a team, like we have tons of people that we take care of and ton, ton of different personalities. Yeah. Um. There's so, and we live in a place that's just insanely expensive. Mm-hmm. For literally everything.

[00:20:55] Um, so I 

[00:20:56] thought, I thought you were gonna say insanely beautiful. It is 

[00:20:59] insanely beautiful. But [00:21:00] that's what's cool is like we, you get to just, because like, yes, it's gonna be hard, but it doesn't have to be miserable. And I think a lot of people think that like, oh, I just have to grind and be miserable, and then one day I get to enjoy it.

[00:21:11] Yeah. And one of the most special things for me is to watch you, like genuinely just have. In my perspective anyway, maybe I'm wrong, but I feel like I know you well enough outside of the office now too, is like you just have fun. Yeah. You know, and like you're always going to explore and going to adventure and I think that's a message for a lot of people listening too, is like, yeah dude, you're gonna have to work hard for sure, no matter what it is.

[00:21:35] Mm-hmm. But it also doesn't have to be miserable and like postpone all the fun stuff too until one day. And we'll get into surfing later. 'cause that's like my all time favorite thing. But, uh, anything else on that? 

[00:21:45] No, I just think you're so right. Like I have so many friends and this is so common coming outta Cairo school that a lot of people end up getting into offices where they just get worked like a mule.

[00:21:54] Yep. And it's like five days a week and they're doing all the stuff because they're just the bottom of the [00:22:00] barrel, uh, looked at. And, um, yeah, it's kind of sad, but there's, there's better out there. Yeah, the dream is out there. 

[00:22:09] Yeah, that's what, for me, it's hard because I'm like, I wanna do it all because I love it so much.

[00:22:14] So to let go. And I think anybody on the team will tell, tell you, I mean, from Heather to West to Nades. It's like, Danielle will definitely tell you, it was hard for me to let go of stuff because I like doing it so much, but it doesn't, it doesn't benefit anybody for me to do that. You know what I'm saying?

[00:22:30] Yeah. So it's all like, you can build it in a way where you actually love it. Um, regardless of what phase you're at. Yeah. And I think that's what's cool and special about, like what we're building is just a different model where I'm not gonna run you 80 hours a week. Like if I don't wanna work 80 hours a week, why would I ask you to work 80 hours a week?

[00:22:49] So there's a whole thing of integrity. Yeah. But that's kind of what it comes down to. And that's a whole mindset belief thing. Um, so if you had [00:23:00] a biggest breakthrough around. Mindset for you so far? 'cause I know you've had a lot of growth, dude, and we've had conversations that have not been easy conversations.

[00:23:11] Uh, I don't want you to share those on the episode, but we've had some conversations that have like allowed, I feel like, allowed you to grow. And maybe it's not through me, but what's been your, you feel, like your biggest breakthrough on like the mindset, success side? Just in the time that we've spent together in the last five months?

[00:23:27] What's coming to me is it, it just goes back to confidence and conviction. Yep. Seven because like watching you in the office, everything you talk about, everything you say comes out with so much confidence and it just makes me think about kinda like the training for the consultations and seeing, watching you go through so many consultations.

[00:23:46] Then being put in the position where now I have that opportunity, but not being able to deliver in the same way. 'cause I haven't built my confidence and conviction like that. Yeah. And literally sometimes saying the same exact thing, but feeling that difference [00:24:00] of when it comes out, like when it comes out through you, it's just, it's so drawing.

[00:24:06] Whereas when I, when it came, when I try to present it that way, it just, it was bland. 'cause I didn't have, I don't have that. I'm, it's a work in progress Yeah. That I'm building towards and having that confidence and conviction 

[00:24:17] and that, dude, that's the identity. So on a, on the next episode, I'm gonna talk specifically about like how, what we believe about ourselves and what we think literally influences who we are physiologically, um, in a whole bunch of ways.

[00:24:30] But it's like, that's. My hope for everybody, dude, is like, it doesn't have to be the way that we communicate in our office, but you can be like, you're becoming that version. Mm-hmm. Just because you're willing to put in the work to do it, you know? Yeah. And I also feel like for you, it's a calling. It's not just something that you're like, ah, I guess I'm just gonna be a chiropractor because I don't really know what else I'm gonna do.

[00:24:51] Uh, and you said it at the beginning, you're like. I was kind of called to it 'cause it's just this random series of events that I had no idea that I would be going [00:25:00] down. And then here we are. And I was the same way teaching. Right? Yep. So yeah dude, it's cool. Is like you are starting to step into who you were actually called to be.

[00:25:09] 'cause none of us were meant to be like broken or insecure. That's all stuff from other places. And it's cool to watch you like start to break it off. You know what I mean? So you can step into like who God made you to be, which is so special. So here's a question for you. Um, I'd loved it. I, yeah. I just wanna hear where you go with it.

[00:25:31] So if we took faith, we take mindset and we take the nervous system, what's like the connection or the overlap between those things? 

[00:25:38] Just like the more effort you put into it, the better result you're gonna get from it. Yep. The more focus that you put on faith, the stronger it'll grow. Same thing with mindset, and same thing with the nervous system.

[00:25:50] Like the more you take care of it and tend to it, the better it's gonna function for you. 

[00:25:55] What's the best way to take care of it? 

[00:25:58] Chiropractic care. 

[00:25:59] Yeah. That was [00:26:00] not a trick question, by the way. Yeah. But okay. So, um, yeah, I mean, obviously putting in the reps, right? So that's kind of, tell me if I'm wrong, that's what I hear you saying.

[00:26:09] Mm-hmm. Yeah, definitely. There's no matter what it is, if you wanna have faith right, that my finances are gonna be taken care of. That requires putting in the work to have that. It's not just gonna come if you don't put the work in. Mm-hmm. Yeah. If I wanna have a better mindset and more confidence and clarity, like you talked about, we gotta put in the work.

[00:26:27] Yep. And then nervous system is like how we take care of it and we do it through a bunch of stuff. Right. So like I know you love cold plunging. I love cold plunging surfing now, um, we can talk about red light Chiro care is number one, obviously, but we don't need to get too much into that. So, good. So let's transition a little bit.

[00:26:44] Um, I wanna know. For you. 'cause I think you've seen a lot of different offices and a lot of different styles of practice. Mm-hmm. What is your favorite part, not just here, but like what's your favorite part of practice now? 

[00:26:59] Uh, [00:27:00] just helping people reconnect with themselves. 

[00:27:02] Tell me more about what that looks like when you talk about reconnecting with yourself.

[00:27:07] Yeah, I think, I think we live in such a disconnected world and chiropractic just helps. Helps people be, I don't know. It's, it's hard to explain it, to become more connected. Like more, more present, not just, uh, externally in the environment, but also internally with themselves. Yeah. And watch people change from when they lay down on the table to, versus when they get up.

[00:27:30] And to be able to feel that too. Because I know we're, you and I are both very empathic and I don't, I mean, I'm sure you can feel it too, but there's, you can just feel the tension. Not in their system or not in their being, in their essence anymore. 

[00:27:45] Yeah. I mean, dude, you take, like Kelly and Todd who you know, who just started two weeks ago, they're both like, if you look at them in their eyes, they have a different life and they're in their fifties.

[00:27:57] You know, they're not, it's not like they're super old. [00:28:00] So, but we see it all the time. I've seen it. I've been practicing a little bit longer, so I sometimes I think we take it for granted. Yeah. But it's really, yeah, dude, we're giving people life back. Part of the reason is because when we adjust the way that we do here, we're waking up the brain.

[00:28:18] And that brain literally allows them more connection to God, more connection to their physiology that's gonna allow them to be successful, more presence, more productivity, more profit, all the stuff we talked about and I've talked about on all the other episodes and like the nerdy, sciencey detail. So my question for you is this is like what's been, and it does not have to be in this office, it can be.

[00:28:36] Mm-hmm. But it doesn't have to be. What's been your favorite case? You've seen someone get really cool results with like, can you share us your favorite, this is the person, here's how they came in, here's where they ended up, your all time favorite case that you've seen so far. 

[00:28:51] I'd have to say it was Adam.

[00:28:53] Yeah. Tell like where'd he start and then where is he now? 

[00:28:57] Uh, so Adam began care with us [00:29:00] around a month and a half, two months ago. 

[00:29:01] Six weeks, exactly. Okay. Yeah, 

[00:29:03] six weeks ago. And his mom brought him in. Ha. He was having a lot of episodes of rage, a lot of behavioral issues. Um, and then a ma, another major issue that he was dealing with was constipation.

[00:29:17] And I just had a really big moment when his mom told me that the last time he had a normal poop was like three years ago. Mm-hmm. And I'm like, dude, I almost started chiropractic school three years ago. And just to, I remember driving home that day and thinking about them like that is. I can't imagine living like that and, um, to be able to give him his first adjustment, first of all, for you to have the trust in me to be able to do that, but not, but, and to be able to provide that for him was so honoring and for me it was, um.

[00:29:52] Kind of just like how you talked about in that chiropractic episode, the adjustment is a small thing. Mm-hmm. But what happens internally within the person is what's [00:30:00] huge. And for me it was, it was really honoring, but it was also just a, a small thing going home that day. And the next week was when it was a really cool experience of having you text me.

[00:30:12] The day that I was out because I was about to take my board exam and just letting me know, like, this might be your very first miracle case was huge. 'cause um, do you wanna tell the rest of the story? 

[00:30:21] No, I mean, dude, you're doing great. I think it's better that it comes from you. I just, I think it's so special.

[00:30:25] Like, yeah, when you said you kind of like glossed it over, but I'm talking like every time his iPad would get taken away, rage, like kicking walls. Mm-hmm. Um, and it's not just you and I who have seen it, like every person Danielle seen it, west has seen it. Mm-hmm. When they started. From exam to six weeks.

[00:30:42] And the key was, again, you said it perfectly, dude, you adjusted him the first time, right? Yeah. And obviously we have a process in our office of how we measure the brain and how we know how to adjust him and all that. But yeah, poop normal twice, two days in a row, right after his first adjustment. And then [00:31:00] fast forward six weeks, even last week, mom told me, and I think this is, I texted you this as well, uh, but she was like.

[00:31:08] He's wanting to potty train again. So this is a 6-year-old who has to wear pull-ups because he doesn't have control, um, over his digestion. And now he's like starting to potty train again and she can't, she literally can't believe it. Um, where she's like, what is happening with my kid? And no more rage.

[00:31:25] None at all. She hired a therapist. The therapist. She's like, I don't know why the therapist comes to her house now, because everything that he did have is gone from chiro care. It's amazing. It's gorgeous. Yeah, dude, it's so, it's so cool. Um, and it's like, we're just gonna see more of those, you know? Mm-hmm.

[00:31:45] Like, that's one case I could go back and share. Like we were, I did it just briefly yesterday. I am like, if we just went down the list of everybody that we take care of. Yeah. Every person. It has some crazy breakthrough, you know? Um, so that's so special [00:32:00] and props to you because you kind of set it up and like just made an environment where he felt safe to heal, especially as a little dude with, uh, yeah.

[00:32:07] Pretty tough, like emotional issues, you know? So that's your favorite case. Uh, my next question for you is this is like what surprised you most about. Office specifically, like what was the big of anything from like the first time that you came in to now, what's been the most surprising thing that you've seen in our office?

[00:32:28] Focusing on the brain, for sure. 

[00:32:30] Yeah. Tell more. Tell more. 

[00:32:31] So, 

[00:32:32] because there's a lot of people who think they're focusing on the brain by like, oh, well I know that. Like when I adjust the spine, that affects the brain. But like give, give me more on what you mean by that. 

[00:32:41] Yeah, so I'm just gonna take it back to chiropractic school.

[00:32:44] Mm-hmm. I feel. This is just my own personal opinion, but I feel like in chiropractic school we focus a lot on subluxation. Yeah. And it's always like if you go to a chiropractor, make sure you go to a subluxation based chiropractor. Mm-hmm. And just like everything about chiropractic school is the [00:33:00] subluxation.

[00:33:01] Not everything, but mostly everything. Yeah. And I just came outta school so focused on it and knowing, having this different model in my head of. I'm just gonna be a subluxations layer. Like we're just going in helping people. Yeah. Um, kind of like, where's your spine restricted? Let's get the joints moving properly so your nervous system can flow, flow freely.

[00:33:22] And something that I noticed was like in chiro, we talk a lot about the spine and the spinal cord because that's what emanates from the spine. Mm-hmm. But the spinal cord is really just an extension of the brain. Yeah. And that was a connection that I don't know how, but I just never really made and coming here.

[00:33:38] I remember the first day that I shadowed, I was like, what? Like what are you doing here? And watching the exam, 'cause I think you put me in an exam. Mm-hmm. To watch you before you even explained anything to me. And I'm like, okay, I've seen some of these tests in school, but like I never really did 'em. Yeah.

[00:33:54] But like we're taught 'em. And once you started connecting everything to me and bringing it back to the [00:34:00] brain, it is just like my whole, it wasn't really until I started as an intern here, but you just exploded my whole world and. Kind of the, the framework and the philosophy that I had around what chiropractic care was and how I was gonna be practicing out there.

[00:34:14] Do you feel like that's influenced how you adjust people now? 

[00:34:16] Definitely. 

[00:34:17] How so? 

[00:34:18] It's just, um, more, there's a lot more intentionality and there's a lot more thinking that goes into it as to like, how am I stimulating the brain? Um, but like starting somebody off in care, I had never heard of the concept of adjusting somebody just on one side of their body.

[00:34:36] That was very, very new to me. And to be able to see the results that we're getting now, it just builds more, more confidence and conviction into like, this, actually this works, you know? Um, and then. I don't know if we wanna talk about KST, but just learning KST and using that framework and that protocol and just tuning into that more and [00:35:00] listening to it more has been, uh, a beautiful process.

[00:35:03] Definitely a struggle, but it's just more just like you told me in the beginning. It's just a more honoring way to. Provide care for somebody. 

[00:35:10] Yep. 

[00:35:11] Yeah, I mean, KST is just, it's like, it's really is just an analysis, right? Mm-hmm. Um, and like Korn would say that too, but I think the, the biggest thing that I always remind people about KST, especially like I was even telling Crystal this too, is that KST is really.

[00:35:28] Just asking the person's body what it needs. Mm-hmm. And I feel like that's such a far cry different from going, okay, well I see this leg length, so since I see this leg length and I see this in their pelvis, that's what their body needs. 'cause I think, or my analysis told me, but like, versus just asking their body, what is your body actually telling me that it needs?

[00:35:48] Which sounds subtle, but I think that's the biggest key. Mm-hmm. And then you get what's, what else is cool about KST? And the way that we do is like there's an order so. And you saw this yesterday, you were telling me like, dude, the same [00:36:00] thing kept coming up like five times on somebody and you're like, I just kept going.

[00:36:03] Like longer there, longer there until it was cleared out. But it's like if you had tried to just jump somewhere else, you probably would've never got that cleared out in the first place. Mm-hmm. So order. To me matters a lot. And I feel like that's one of the secrets where people are just like, I'm gonna do it in my order, but I'm like, no, you gotta do it in the order that the person's body needs it in.

[00:36:20] Yeah. 

[00:36:21] You know? Or even just saying like, I'm gonna do what I think needs to be adjusted. Yep. Which is kind of how I used to adjust the whole time. Yeah. Going throughout school, it's like, obviously we're putting a lot of analysis into it, but at the end of the day it's still, I was still guessing a lot or not really.

[00:36:36] It was more of an educated guess of like. I have all these, uh, factors telling me that this needs to be adjusted, so I'm gonna adjust it. Yeah. 

[00:36:42] And, but 

[00:36:43] definitely no order to it. 

[00:36:44] Well, and you heard me on the last podcast, like BJ literally wrote like li or I know, I don't think he actually wrote it. It was at a, a talk that he did, a lecture that he did that said muscle tension, restriction fixation.

[00:36:59] Like that [00:37:00] doesn't actually determine a subluxation. Yep. There's something more than that, you know? But in 

[00:37:03] school that's what we're taught. 

[00:37:04] Yeah, yeah, exactly. So it's like the very. Like people can say like, oh, I'm principled, but if you, in my opinion, this isn't trying to like throw shade or be hater, but if you're not addressing something deeper.

[00:37:20] What BJ was talking about. He says, even an x-ray can't identify a subluxation. He's like, that's not what we're identifying. Mm-hmm. We're identifying fixations and like muscular imbalances. Yeah. So then the question is like, alright, what's a subluxation? We don't need to get into that on this episode. Um, what would you say?

[00:37:37] Is there anything else you wanna cover on that? Uh, no, I don't think so. What would you say to, if they're like students listening, other chiros listening? Is there anything you feel like they would really need to know about how we do it here that could potentially support them to practice better wherever they are?

[00:37:54] Ask the question one more time. Yeah. So if there's anybody listening who's like student other Cairo, [00:38:00] is there anything you would want them to know that could help them practice better based on what you know about how we do it here? 

[00:38:07] Yeah. That it's, uh, it's deeper than the spine and looking at the brain is, is so important.

[00:38:14] We know as chiropractors that we affect the nervous system. Yeah. But nobody, I mean, I had never really seen anyone measuring the brain Yeah. In school or outside of school other than like functional neurologist. Mm-hmm. But that's on a much deeper scale. Um, and I just think like if you measure, if you're able to measure the brain where it's imbalanced, then it just provides a whole different um.

[00:38:43] It, it provides more depth to what you're actually doing. 

[00:38:45] Yep, for sure. 

[00:38:47] And I think here in this office, I mean, like again, I had, I had never seen this anywhere else. So here in this office, the way that we do things is just, it's a, it's a beautiful process and it's, it's, um, I don't know the [00:39:00] words for it, but it's like, well worked through, like you've put a lot of experience into this and a lot of trial and error and.

[00:39:09] Just bringing it back to the brain. I feel like there was another thing I wanted to say, but I can't, I can't really remember it. 

[00:39:14] If it does, just throw it in. Okay. And it's my, I mean, I'm biased dude. 'cause it's mine, but like, it's fun. That's the best part about it. It's fun and it get, gets results. Yeah.

[00:39:24] Where people are just mind blown. You know? You shared Adam's story, mom, mind blown for herself, for her other son like so many. Families, Kelly, like, dude, we could just go down the list of people being like, I don't even know how this is possible. Mm-hmm. That this happened. And we're like, yeah. It's just how your body was designed to function.

[00:39:42] Yeah. But we gotta address the brain to do so, like you said, which is so good. Alright, last little bit. So. We're gonna transition. Okay. And I want to talk about surfing and wisdom and life. So in your, just tell me what you just share it for everybody [00:40:00] listening. 'cause I know, and I think it's so special.

[00:40:01] Obviously I'm biased, I'm obsessed with surfing, so I'm gonna get like super fired up on it. But I want to know from your experience so far, what has, what's it been like to go from, I'm moved to Southern California. I live here. I want to surf now. You've actually been. So, and you've also been one of the people who went when the water was really cold when you got banged up by rocks the first time you went out.

[00:40:27] Yeah. So like, just share your journey, dude, of what it's been like to go from like, this is a thing that I want to do to a thing that you probably won't stop doing if I think I know you the way that I 

[00:40:37] know you. Yeah. Uh, it's so funny because since the moment I got here, I think it was probably like my second or third week here, uh, I can't remember how the conversation got brought up, but you started talking about surfing.

[00:40:49] Yeah. And you're like, dude, we should go. And I was like, oh my God, you have no idea. Like, I've wanted to surf for so long in my life, and especially now that I'm here, like it's literally one of my goals for [00:41:00] 2025 to learn how to surf. But I was just always so scared of how cold the water was. Yeah. So I would always tell you like, okay, maybe next week.

[00:41:07] Maybe next week. And then I remember telling you like maybe sometime in February, 'cause at the time I was getting into cold plunging. Yep. And, um, I was like, and let me just warm myself up to the ocean water. Little did I know that when you wear a wetsuit, you don't really feel the ocean water. Nope. And um, I remember going out for my, my first surf, we went to Doheny Beach and that was just, that was, uh.

[00:41:30] That was so scary and nerve wracking, but like, so if I could describe surfing in one word, it's just exhilarating. Yep. And, uh, being able to get out in the water. I remember watching you like run in and I just kind of stood there on the shore, like, here we go. Like, I kind of don't want to do this right now, but it's too late to back out.

[00:41:49] And just getting in the water was, uh, and learning like fast forwarding until now. It's just been, I get so. Hyped up for Tuesdays and Thursday [00:42:00] mornings and like, I, I remember, 'cause we, we have to be here pretty early Monday, Wednesday, and I was like, okay, those are gonna be the only days where I'm like waking up at four 30.

[00:42:08] But surfing just turned that around and now every day I am almost waking up at four 30. So good. Because I'm like, I need to get out in the water and surf. Like this morning was kind of a bummer that we didn't go. But 

[00:42:18] yeah, there's just not way, I mean, I don't know, the wind was on it weird, so it wasn't, probably wasn't worth it to go, but, but 

[00:42:24] yeah, it's a, it's really.

[00:42:25] An exhilarating feeling, um, and just, I can't wait to just get better at it. 

[00:42:31] What has been, if you had to compare it to life, or you could even say practice, dude is like, I think there, for me, there are so many lessons, but I don't want it to be about me. What has been your, if you had to compare it, like, all right, this is what I can learn, or what somebody else could learn from surfing about life in general, what would you say the big lessons have been for you?

[00:42:51] Or have you even tried to tie 'em together yet? 

[00:42:53] Um, I, I haven't. Really try to tie 'em together. But a few things that come to mind is like, the biggest thing is listening. Yep. [00:43:00] And um, at first I remember my first couple sessions I was like, okay, we're just gonna try to ride every wave. Yeah. Because eventually one of them's gonna like fall through, or a couple of them.

[00:43:10] But where I'm at now is like, you really gotta pay attention and listen to the wave and, uh, first of all, be able to like, be able to read the waves mm-hmm. And know when a good one's coming in versus one that's like, uh, I probably shouldn't ride that. Um. Yeah, but that's the biggest part is listening and just understanding that there's so many components to it, but the better you get at it, the more it just flows.

[00:43:33] Tie that listening piece too. It could be to practice or life though. 'cause I feel like that's crucial and that's what. I think that's what sets apart really, really, really, really good surfers from people who are just Okay. Yeah. Is the ability to actually like read a wave. Yeah. So how does that apply though?

[00:43:49] So take it outside. 'cause not everybody, like Heather's never gonna go surfing. She just, it's not her thing. Right. She does not care to read the waves. Yeah. Um, as much as I pray that at what happened, so like for her though, [00:44:00] tie it into a, like how does that apply to life in general or practice in general?

[00:44:05] I think just listening to your instinct. Like with decisions that you make, whether it's just something as simple as grabbing something from the grocery store or like eating a certain food. Um, it's definitely helped me tune into that. Yeah. Almost like that gut feeling of like, should I do this or should I eat this?

[00:44:21] And like, feeling that bodily response within me. Uh, but the biggest thing that resonates is the adjustment process. Yep. Because when I first started here, I was so nervous and so, uh, nervous was like the biggest thing, but like the voice in my head wouldn't shut up. I wasn't allowing me to, I wasn't allowing myself to listen.

[00:44:41] Yeah. In that process of the adjustment. Um, but over time it's just more, more connected with the person and more just being guided instead of trying to do my thing and trying to prove myself, 

[00:44:55] you know, identity, dude. Yep. That's like, that is the piece of identity where it's [00:45:00] like, you know, every person.

[00:45:02] Listening right now knows what the right thing to do and the wrong thing to do is. But a lot of times they're like, they don't listen enough to, they're just, they just give into like the easy thing. It's like, oh yeah, I'll just eat that and I'll like do better tomorrow. But it's like, no, you already know that's not the right thing to do, you know?

[00:45:18] Yeah. 

[00:45:18] Um, and how special it is where like you can tune into somebody's body that way and only do what their body needs and what's gonna be best for them, which by the way, is part of the Hippocratic Oath. 

[00:45:30] Mm-hmm. 

[00:45:31] Is to do things that actually help make people better. And if we're not intentional about it, then I feel like that's an identity thing.

[00:45:40] Like that's just a, like clashing of values, you know? Mm-hmm. Um, if you call yourself a doctor at all. Yeah. So good. Anything else from surfing? 

[00:45:48] It just, it's something that fills up my cup. Yeah. And that fills up the soul for sure. Yeah. And there's so many components to it, like just being out in the water.

[00:45:56] Mm-hmm. Being able to see the sunrise rises. Yep. Uh, the feeling of actually [00:46:00] catching a wave, let's go. But also the feeling of just getting swallowed up by waves and getting slammed. Yeah. Yeah. Um, yeah, there's so many, so many parts to it, but. If you live in SoCal or anywhere near a beach, highly recommend trying out surfing.

[00:46:14] Just surf. It's so fun. Um, and if you don't, that's okay too. But George and I will just judge you a little bit because we love it so much. Alright, last question and then we'll wrap it up. Okay. So what advice would you give other interns or students who wanna break out of like the school bubble to go all in on what I would call true chiropractic?

[00:46:35] What advice would you give 'em? 

[00:46:36] I think the first thing is like just ask. Deeper question. Yep. Or deeper questions, but I don't know. I just want to like, I wish there could be more light shed on the brain because I feel like it just wasn't talked a lot about in school. Like it definitely was talked about, but again, we, we were so focused on the spine and the spinal cord mm-hmm.

[00:46:56] And never really talking about the brain. And I feel like once you start asking more questions [00:47:00] about like. I mean, that whole concept of the subluxation being a protective mechanism was, it wasn't new to me, but like when I was in school, I couldn't really, it was hard for me to, um, pay attention. I was just under so much stress.

[00:47:13] Yeah. Like pay attention and actually know, like being present and knowing what I was talking about or what I was listening to. So just asking deeper questions. Um. Huge piece of advice for students is like, do the best that you can to not stress so much because every time you stress, you're turning off the most important part of your brain.

[00:47:31] Let's go, dude. Or one of the most important parts. And, um, I think just getting out and experiencing more. It's definitely something that I wish I did. Uh, like I didn't really start shadowing offices till the end of my schooling, and I remember starting school telling myself like, I at least wanna shadow one office a quarter.

[00:47:49] Yep. And it just, it never really happened. I think there was a lot of fear behind it and a lot of like thinking that I was gonna get judged or just a lot of weird things in my head. But I definitely wish that I [00:48:00] went out and experienced more. 'cause that would've just gathered more into my cup of knowing what's out there or knowing what's possible.

[00:48:06] Yeah. You know? And then just being like finding the right people, finding the right friends, the right mentors. Uh, but I just think there's not a, there's not enough resources out there for people to become interested. 

[00:48:20] Yeah. 

[00:48:22] And like high school's already so hard enough that it's hard. I almost feel like it's hard to have that higher interest or that higher fire to like wanna dig into more.

[00:48:33] Yeah, dude, for sure. I mean, it's overwhelming. Like you talked about this where you're like, RO students are just burnout. But I forgot and I think it's so ironic that we are in a profession. That's designed to help people get out of that stress, but it's like the most stressful situation. I understand it's a doctor doctorate program and all that, but like if, I love your, I would just reiterate again for anybody listening like the, probably the most important thing [00:49:00] is.

[00:49:01] Asking more questions. Mm-hmm. Because like there are so many things I had questions about and I'm like, I just want to know. I really like, it. All came down to, for me, I wanna tell somebody the truth. And so then when you start looking at the research, I was like, all right, well, what is the truth? So if there's anybody listening, I would say that if you want more info about the truth, go follow me and George on Instagram.

[00:49:27] Tell us that you listened to this episode. That you want more info on what to look at and where to read, like simple. Just send us a DM and we'll give you all the resources that him and I study. Um, we can, I'll share straight up. You can follow me at Dr. Daniel Kimley and message me and just say, Hey, I want the way that you explained the nervous system.

[00:49:45] We'll give it to you because it's that, like I just shared that with you yesterday, which you already knew it, but like, yeah, there's just not a lot of places where you're gonna be able to get it. I think you're so right dude. When you start asking the different questions and start asking, for me, [00:50:00] it was like, what's the truth?

[00:50:00] I just wanna tell somebody the truth. You'll get to a different place, but then that helps build your identity and your certainty. Mm-hmm. And we're starting to see it come through with you, which is just amazing. Yeah. What else? So just come check out the office. Yeah. If you wanna come message us, call us.

[00:50:14] Uh, always I would, I would love this place to be packed, dude. With people just learning like a different way that's fulfilling. That's not a grind. That's all the stuff we talked about. Um, 'cause I just truly don't think that it has to be. But it starts with like, you can learn the marketing tactics and strategies, and we could even go into like when we do exams and how we talk to people and all those things.

[00:50:37] But realistically, what's been cool to watch, your transformation is just the way you've grown as a person. You become more like, dude, you've said it so many times through this episode, is like, I just, I have more of a certainty in me. Mm-hmm. And a belief that there's more that I could do that I didn't really have a belief of before.

[00:50:56] Like, I thought I wasn't gonna be smart enough to be a pt. But then arguably, [00:51:00] you know, more about the nervous system than like most neurologists could probably explain like as crazy as that sounds. Mm-hmm. But it's kind of true. Most people, like if they ask their neurologist, they're like, ah. It's just, that's just how the body does it.

[00:51:14] It's like there's no explanation of why. Yeah. Um, so telling people the truth and I just commend you for one, being on and like having this conversation with me. Two, sharing with everybody, three going all in the way. You have the results and love and the adjustments that you give people is like you, I don't even think you fully get yet how you are transforming lives.

[00:51:35] 'cause like we, if we go back to Adam's story mm-hmm. Like. Dude, think about as he gets, think about the difference that his teacher has now. Like she may not be as stressed out because she has one kid who's a little bit clearer and then she goes home to her significant other, and then like she's not as stressed out.

[00:51:55] So then they have more connection and like you're literally impact everybody, every single [00:52:00] chiro. Like you're impacting communities. If you, I would argue you should focus on the brain, but that's the, do you have any final. Parting words for me, for yourself, or anybody listening before we wrap it up? Uh, just thank you for the opportunity, 

[00:52:15] dude, honor, like to be, to be on here, uh, specifically on the podcast, but even more so just to be part of the team, be in the office, and be able to experience this type of life.

[00:52:28] Let's go. Yeah. 

[00:52:29] And it's our first guest. You are the first. Let's go numeral uno. That's amazing. 

[00:52:34] Yeah. Um, but I do wanna finish off with a quote that, like, as you said that and talked about Adam, made me think about, 'cause I, I think about this quote a lot. Mm-hmm. And it's the quote that BJ said all the time is like, you never, you never know how far reaching something you think, say or do today will impact the lives of millions tomorrow.

[00:52:51] And I feel like it just, the adjustments go far beyond what happens in the office. 

[00:52:55] Yep. Amen. Mm-hmm. Not much more we can say after that. [00:53:00] Alright, George, thank you so much for having me here, dude. Yeah. Appreciate you. Thank you. It's amazing. Alright fa, we'll come at you guys next week. Peace.